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chargirlgenius ([personal profile] chargirlgenius) wrote2010-01-07 07:04 pm
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Misguided pedantry

Ok, I've got to make a small rant. This is about the end of the decade. You might be surprised at the direction of my pedantry...

A lot of people have tried to point out that the end of the decade isn't actually until the end of this year, not the beginning of it. Much like the end of the century/millennium wasn't until December 31st, 2000, the end of the decade would be December 31st, 2010, right?

NO!

"A decade" is defined as any period of ten years. When we refer to centuries or millennia, we are using ordinal counting. We call it "the 20th century" or "the second millenium". When we use ordinal counting, we're naming the century in reference to the beginning of the Common Era (aka A.D.) And, as many people will point out, there was no year zero, so the first century was 1-100, the 2nd was 101-200, etc.

HOWEVER, we do not refer to decades with ordinal counting. When is the last time you heard somebody say "the 199th decade since Christ"? We call them "The 80s".

In any case, 1980 was certainly a part of the decade named "The 80s". It's a set of 10 years in which the first three digits were "198". This year is part of the decade called "The 10s". It's not the last year in the decade called, er, well, whatever you called them (I personally like the "noughties").

So, all of those people who had a stick up their rear about the new millennium not starting until 2001? Yeah, I was one of them, and we were right. ;-) But a lot of them have continued that thinking to decades, where it doesn't, or at least doesn't have to apply. So, when they start trying to act intellectually superior about it (and I've already seen it happen!) you can rest assured that it's an *incorrect* stick up their rear.

[identity profile] cathgrace.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I agree, trying to argue that the 90s didn't include 1990 is a bit silly.

[identity profile] chargirlgenius.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Bingo!

And when I turned 30, I was in my 30s!

[identity profile] koshka-the-cat.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! Love this :)

[identity profile] florentinescot.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
You know, those are some really good points .....

[identity profile] chargirlgenius.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
I had my favorite pendant recently pull the "historians consider..." line. Which made me laugh for about an hour, because getting historians to agree on something is like, well, getting scientists to agree on something!

[identity profile] florentinescot.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
... or theologians! :-D

[identity profile] syaldia.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
'pendant' made me giggle. :D

[identity profile] quodscripsi.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Nice, never thought about it.

[identity profile] maggiebowgirl.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Amen sistah!!

[identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Wordy McFucking Word.

[identity profile] hudebnik.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
A decade (or a century, or a millennium) begins whenever you say it does, as long as it ends a decade (century, millennium) later. The problem is people equating two different decades (centuries, millennia) that are defined slightly differently.

The 1900's obviously began on Jan. 1, 1900, and ended on Dec. 31, 1999.

The 20th century began on Jan. 1, 1901 and ended on Dec. 31, 2000. It had a 99-year overlap with the 1900's, but it's not quite the same thing.

And likewise with decades: the 00's began on Jan. 1, 2000, and ended on Dec. 31, 2009, while the first decade of the 21st century began on Jan. 1, 2001 and will end on Dec. 31, 2010.

It doesn't work quite the same way with people's ages, since people aren't born at age 1: when you turned 30, you simultaneously entered your thirties, your fourth decade, and your 31st year.

pedantically...

[identity profile] mare-in-flames.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
noughties

Win. :)

[identity profile] syrjustus.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a lot of chatter on NPR about how to say the comming years. Since we've gotten so used to saying two thousand eight, two thousand nine ect. Many of the commentators were saying that pattern should continue into the 2010's others insisting that "twenty ten, twenty eleven" will take over again. Either sounds fine to me, I only mention all this because one rather dim commentator said, "Twenty ten is no way to name a year, it's lazy and childish, the proper name is two thousand ten blah blah blah" I wanted to ask him what year he was born in. Answer: "Ninteen seventy... oh."

[identity profile] syrjustus.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh and any die hard Obrien fan knows how to refer to the years just past. ; )

[identity profile] isenglass.livejournal.com 2010-01-08 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! You took the words right out of my brain.